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Apr 22 09 5:30 PM

SPRUE TITLE: FEMALE SAMURAI
SUBMITTED BY: quixote

SIZE/SCALE: 28mm

SET DESCRIPTION: Female samurai! Various weapons: katana, yari, yumi, tetsubo Various
attire: heavy armor, light armor, kimono, hakama

REFERENCE MATERIALS: Female samurai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_samurai japanese
armor: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.html historical
japanese outfits: http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/index.htm
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/garb.html

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Jun 20 09 6:54 AM

Is it even poessable to do Light and Heavy Armour on the same sprue with optional plates?
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So um... Yah.
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This sounds like a realy fun sprue. Due to the amount of gear I'm going to assume 3 to a sprue.?

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Oct 26 10 7:51 AM

With the heavy samurai armour, is it even possible to tell the wearer's gender? I would think that the bulk of the shape disguises the dimensions of body enough to make it difficult to tell man and woman apart, and if a person is wearing a closed samurai helmet with a face-mask then you cannot even tell the gender from the face.

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Jan 13 11 7:08 AM

What you would need are simply female heads, unless you want boobies and arse cheeks peaking out from under the armor.  Of course with helmets and face masks even that wouldn't be necessary.

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Jan 13 11 8:29 PM

What you would need are simply female heads, unless you want boobies and arse cheeks peaking out from under the armor.  Of course with helmets and face masks even that wouldn't be necessary.

-algesan

With all due respect to you, "algesan," I recommend that you procure a copy of Dr. Turnbull's latest tome on Samurai Women if you want to see actual female samurai reconstructed based upon actual professional efforts to reconstruct their appearance:

Samurai Women 1184-1877 (Warrior)

The book even includes a photograph of an actual suit of armour attributed to one of the historical female samurai profiled.


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Jan 14 11 5:29 AM

Remember the word "attributed". 

A) The book is controversial in its details, with Mr. Turnbull confusing one reported lady warrior's father, husband and father-in-law all as her husband. 

B) At least one and I think two of the women are considered legendary because they aren't mentioned in the contemporary records, but only show up in much later plays and novels.

C) The long unbound hair (which would be correct) is the only noticeable difference on the pictures on Mr. Turnbull's website between the appearance of that and a male in armor.

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Jan 14 11 8:25 AM

Remember the word "attributed". 
A) The book is controversial in its details, with Mr. Turnbull confusing one reported lady warrior's father, husband and father-in-law all as her husband.

-algesan


Links?  Sources?  I've seen a number of accustions of Dr. Turnbull's "plagiarism" which as an academic I know is essentially the kiss of death to any academic's career as it is their credibility (and ability to get published any further), yet he still manages to get a major publisher like Osprey to keep printing his ostensibly discredited works, so go figure...


B) At least one and I think two of the women are considered legendary because they aren't mentioned in the contemporary records, but only show up in much later plays and novels.

-algesan


And folk tales sometimes have a firm basis in fact, more so than we are initially led to believe or would later like to accept despite the empirical evidence...


C) The long unbound hair (which would be correct) is the only noticeable difference on the pictures on Mr. Turnbull's website between the appearance of that and a male in armor.

-algesan


And another aspect is *stature* and *proportions.* Ever seen photos of 442nd RCT GIs? When standing next to the corn-fed Midwestern US variety, the differences are oft-times immediately apparent despite the "General Issue" nature of their equipment.

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Feb 14 14 2:14 PM

Stephen Turnbull is an extremely apt expert on the Samurai. Osprey commission books for all sorts of niche and odd themes - this one is almost certainly with an eye towards their Japanese skirmishing rulebook Ronin. I doubt very much if Dr Turnbull is asserting any sort of warrior woman culture, but probably discusses myths and legends about them as part of the volume along with documented instances. He did a book on Ninja that I found very balanced, but still discussed some of the legendary stuff (in context, AS legends).

This isn't a thesis, just an Osprey book. It isn't going to affect his academic credientials anyway.

To address the original topic - no. In armour, they'll look the same unless unhelmeted. There just is no way you can really tell if someone wearing full Japanese* armour in a static model is male of female. "They walk differently" doesn't wash for a 28mm model.

Out of armour, different topic. But I can't see the demand for a plastic sprue, unless part of a general unarmoured Japanese one. 

(*Or ANY full armour, really. Joan of Arc in full white harness with helmet on may as well be a guy.)

Last Edited By: mrinku Feb 14 14 2:24 PM. Edited 2 times.

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Feb 18 14 3:16 PM

Female Samurai - ? Hmm, It could be an interesting 'set'. However, I tend to agree w/ the line of thought: "in full armor", unless the 'warrior's' head is uncovered, the gender is, whatever you wish it to be for your scenario. After all, in the case of full, heavy armor, such as plate etc. it tended to be on the bulky side to say the least.

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Mar 1 14 5:34 PM

This isn't a thesis, just an Osprey book. It isn't going to affect his academic credientials anyway.



Plagiarism in a published piece of work is indeed the kiss of death to an academic's career, and that is what some have accused Dr. Turnbull of doing (but have yet to present any credible evidence AFAIK).

That said, I for one would really like to see 16th century Ming Chinese sets to go with the Samurai, as outside of the Koreans and perhaps one or two encounters with the Jurchens, it was the army of the Wanli Emperor that did a big part of the land warfare heavy lifting to push the Japanese out of Korea during the Imjin War, and as historically matched opponents on the tabletop IMHO they'd make for quite the spectacle.image

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