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Dec 3 13 5:03 AM

mrinku,

That is a great question that I can not answer at this time, sorry.

As I have noted above this is a major project so here is a hint on a 'few' of the locations where it is being worked on: Colorado, Utah, Georgia, and North Carolina - just a few of the locations! There is no priority order to this list. Would anyone like to start the speculations going?

Jim
 

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Dec 3 13 4:26 PM

Mrinku, Excellent question and unfortunate that Jim cant answer.. "Yet", but it is business after all.
For myself, Im so hopeing that its an "in house" project. While DreamForge items are certainly 'first rate', thats just out of my hobby budget, while WGF's own projects are not only great quality, but much more to my 'allowance'.

Now as for Speculating Jim..
I have to say the Colorado and Utah reference has me a bit bewildered. If you had said something like "Tennessee, Mississippi. or Alabama" along with Georgia and North Carolina, then I'd say WGF is 'recruting' to "keep the Yankees from try'n to sneak into Gods Country...."
I think I may have to see what 'historical' connections I can find between Col. Ut, Ga and N.C. hmmm. well all we're home to various Native American's?

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Dec 3 13 9:11 PM

Jack, those locations are where the project is being worked on, doesn't mean there's any historical connection between them. A digital sculptor could live in N.C. or Utah, for example.

However, I think Jim is being quite sneaky here. If "on-the-ground" research IS being done in some of those locations, the two eastern states would suggest ACW or AWI, while the two western states would suggest Indian or Range Wars.

But then again, why not both at once? It is quite possible the project could involve crossover. I could imagine a Cavalry kit, for example, that included options to construct troopers from 1861 through to about 1873, further if they were clever with their equipment sprues. Uniforms did not change radically over that time period, and nor did weapons (A trapdoor Springfield does not really look any different to the rifle musket it was converted from in 28mm or smaller. Unless loading poses are included). Maybe we are looking at something that big? Plus, there were ACW battles *in* the west, and native American involvement during the ACW era.

You could probably manage to represent various tribes with head swaps and add-on costume pieces, too. The Perry Madhist kit is a good example of how to do this, but basic warrior sprues (with heads/hats) plus full sized equipment sprue (with weapons) could do it even better.

So... infantry, mounted cavalry, dismounted cavalry, artillery, mounted braves, dismounted braves, with hats and other accessories to allow for most combatants over 1861-76 (just to get Custer into the picture). Zouaves get left out, or left for later. You know where to get them if you need them :)

Sale of these equipment sprues as separate items would also be a canny move. Warlord is doing very well by making their Bolt Action weapon sprues available.

Oh, and if this *does* turn out to be the case (or close to it), I promise to buy enough boxes to do F Troop and the Hekawi.

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Dec 5 13 12:01 AM

jim goss wrote:
mrinku,

That is a great question that I can not answer at this time, sorry.

As I have noted above this is a major project so here is a hint on a 'few' of the locations where it is being worked on: Colorado, Utah, Georgia, and North Carolina - just a few of the locations! There is no priority order to this list. Would anyone like to start the speculations going?

Jim


 

Colorado: scene of fighting during the ACW between Federal troops and Native Americans (Kiowa, Arapaho, Comanche, Cheyenne).

Utah: scene of fighting during ACW between Federal troops from California and Native Americans (Shoshone). Also, scene of the Black Hawk War (1865-1872).

Georgia: ACW 

North Carolina: ACW

Common denominators: Native Americans, ACW Union troops, ACW Confederate troops. Confederate troops could double as Nauvoo Legion or similar frontier militiamen. If the Native Americans are involved, I'm very interested, as skirmish games between rival bands hold as much or more interest for me personally than the ACW...image

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Dec 7 13 9:33 AM

This would be a fantastic addition to the lines. For awhile now I have been searching for Native Americans ( pre-rifle era). I had resigned myself to using 1/72 when I begin my Plains Indian Wars skirmish project but I will wait patiently to see where this goes. A generic lower body with a variety of torso and head swaps...hmm...very interesting . I'll be watching closely as this unfolds!

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Dec 9 13 5:08 PM

Heck, I am still hoping a six box set Dark Ages/Middle Ages minies is in the works. THAT said, Indian Wars, ACW would interest me....IF my usual opponents are willing to load up on on minies in 28mm.

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Dec 10 13 5:45 PM

Jack, those locations are where the project is being worked on, doesn't mean there's any historical connection between them. A digital sculptor could live in N.C. or Utah, for example. Mrinku
Good point, but as you also point out.. it could be a case of 'both', work locations AND historical site research.
It totally slipped my mind.. the Native American invovlment in the ACW. IIRC, those that fought on behalf of the Confederacy were referred to as "the Five Civilized Tribes". Sadly laughable; when they fight TOO kill you, 'they' are savages, but when their fighting and killing FOR you, suddenly they become "Civilized".
This most certainly could fill out the "Six New Historical Boxes All For One War" puzzle. They could come up with a good quality "generic" Confederate and Union Infantry box, the same for Cavalry, this leaving the remaining four, to focus on four different Native tribes, each with specific detail to a particular tribe. Putting the cavalry on hold would allow WGF to concentrate on 5 native tribes.. or even civillians?

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Dec 10 13 5:53 PM

I am still hoping a six box set Dark Ages/Middle Ages minies is in the works... Crazyharry
I doubt thats the case, but I would sure LOVE to see WGF begin some 'good ol' fashioned "Knights of the Round Table" sets per say. Granted, I have some 48 from that other company that are nicely painted if I may say so myself, and of course 'on duty' in their storage box. LOL I always had a weak spot when it came to buying up mounted knights, etc. If I put my bits together, I could possibly get the or even 4 more out of them.
But time will tell.

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Dec 11 13 1:09 AM

The more I think about it, you really don't need to differentiate ACW and Indian wars. I had thought there would be some difference in the look of the army, but really there is not. Even after the uniform changed in 1872, this only affected dress uniform for quite awhile, and old stocks continued to be used up. Out in the frontier, lack-of-uniform was often the order of the day.

In any case, by 1872 a lot of the Indian Wars were over. For most intents and purposes, the uniforms worn between the 1858 and 1872 regulations are what would have been worn in the field in the Indian wars of the 1860's and to some extent the1870's.

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Dec 17 13 1:32 PM

If for some reason the locations do reflect the research...

Here in SW Colorado, about two canyons over in fact from where I'm sitting and typing this, are the ruins of the Pueblo Indians, also known as the Anasazi (600 - 1300 AD), and Mesa Verde National Park. This culture was spread throughout Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico   Although I'm sure they had their skirmishes with others I don't believe they were known to be a warring people.

In Georgia I believe are the remains of what some call "Mounds Indians". These were spread across the SE part of the United States in during the 1000 - 1500 AD era and are thought to have been offshoots of South American cultures, such as the Mayans and Aztecs, who migrated to N.America.

These would nice for diorama material but I'm not sure about wargaming unless you include the S. American cultures and Conquistadors.  Mmmmm...now that's an idea?

A more modern take on these locations are the "Wild Frontier".  These could include not only Native Americans, but also cowboys, outlaws, explorers, fur trappers, the Spanish, the mormons, the railroads, etc.  Now that I think about it there was a lot going on in America in the 1800's.

What does all of this mean?  Absolutely nothing other than getting the ol' creative juices stirred up for wargaming some of the fringe interests.  Profitable - probably not.  Anyone else doing this kind of stuff?  I'd be interested.

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War Pike

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Dec 18 13 5:55 AM

war pike,

Welcome to our forums!

You have some interesting ideas there.

Thank you for sharing your ideas, I also find the American Indians a fascinating subject.

Jim

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Feb 25 14 3:36 PM

Warpike,
First off, a belated "Welcome to our barge" )
Now, I too and others have 'long' discussed the hope/chance that in time WF would in fact create an Aztec / Mayan set and this of course would 'demand' the creation of the Conquistadors. After all the existance of one with out the other, just seems unthinkable.
However any who know real history (As opposed to Hollywoods version. I plead guilty that in my youth, I too believed "they would not put it on TV if it wasnt real. God so naive.), we know that long before europeans ("white men") ever arrived, that like any other people or culture, the various tribes and peoples commonly fought bitter and bloody wars across north and south America.
With that historical fact in mind, even more 'modern' native tribes such as Apache, Commanchee, etc. have handed down stories of wars their forefathers fought against invading native tribes.

Bryon31.. "Any update on which war these boxes will cover?"
Is there anything at all you can tell us Jim?

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Feb 26 14 7:23 AM

I have personally almost given up on this. first they were going to release info last autumn, then it would be in december, now it is in the Spring............ and btw, I think they are getting a bit fed up with the fact that everybody keeps asking. it's a shame really. I have high expetations now that WF produce excellent sets. ah well, we still have Perry Miniatures

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Feb 26 14 11:41 AM

There was some confusion about the release dates between this and other lines - this project was always apparently a 2014 one.

Although, Spring is Coming...

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Feb 27 14 5:08 AM

everyone,

Please be patient, it is not yet 'spring'. In fact in North Carolina we are at 24 degrees this morning.

There will be several announcements soon.

Jim

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Feb 27 14 3:14 PM

(Mrinku)- this project was always apparently a 2014 one.
Well to be fair and on the 'good side' so to speak, the years just begun and not even up to speed yet (as far as being 'into' the year). So we could very easily see these questions answered, as well as the products themselves released during Mrinku's (not unreasonable) estimated time frame.
I'd like to add, IMHO, the whole Lefora pulling the 'keep it simple" rug out from under everyone and "Screwing Up" our Forum the last few months, has not helped anything or anyone either. WF has enough to do as it is, it didnt need 'this' to add to its 'To Do" list.

Although, Spring is Coming...

As for that.. are you sure? LOL Im in north east Fla. and it just so happens we're due to hit 32 degrees (or below) tonight. Thats a bit 'nippy' for the end of Feb down here. Is it possible Spring has been canceled and no one told us?

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