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Apr 12 09 4:35 PM

Now THIS is a very cool subject!! What scale, 'though?!devil


If 28mm we can get Berthier or Lebel rifles, a VB rifle grenade launcher, and a Chauchat automatic rifle. With multi-part figures in simplified 'assault order," we're golden, and if the heads and helmets are separate, converting the figures to Senegalese tirailleurs will be a snap if a sprue of African heads is made available.wink

North African heads with facial features typical to Algerians, Tunisians, and Moroccans will allow for even greater versatility with this sprue, while making kepis available separately will allow one to make Legion Etranger suitable for the Rif War. wink

Waaay cool proposal!devil



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Apr 13 12 6:18 AM


(earlier french army 1914)
juste 5thing in favour of french army
she have 4 year in fight nonstop (usa only 1)
she fight on europe and salonnique
and save the 3/4 of the european front alone
she have the us black soldier (us army at this time dont want "nigger")
she have many rifle , berthier lebel mousqueton ... assault rifle , chachaut
and approximatlie 9millions soldier
and the same uniforme for the different troops collor change


 this is a greatbook for the uniforme

fynallie the blue in trench give a napoleonic touch ^^

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Apr 13 12 10:27 AM

Please say "28 mm" ! 
I totally agree w Lou on this, ironically after looking over some of the pics the gent's posted above. Like Lou, one of the first thoughts (and images) that came to my mind was the possibility of making the "French Algerian troops".
More specically, I have to say the scene from the film "The Flyboys", at the train station and the Algerian troops walking along the platform.
Yes, I think this woudl be a VERY versitile set to produce, very smart business move, and would be very popular with the gamers.
But I too have to say.. I think you can only get "The Most" out of this set, if its done in 28mm.

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Apr 13 12 11:58 AM

I have that most excellent book by Monsieur Jouineau. It should be the very Holy Writ for the designers if this proposal ever sees the light of day.


Hmmm... if there's enough room on the sprues, then perhaps enough extra heads to make Tirailleurs Senegalaise would be in order? Of course, there'd also have to be enough of the characteristic machetes the Senegalese were so fond of using for hand-to-hand trench fighting on the sprue as well...

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Apr 13 12 10:00 PM


The Belgium army used the Adrian helmet also it was exported to a whole range of Balkan countries
Steve Barber makes Negro heads in the acw range more to size with WF figures......The Perry heads are a bit small.
I will give the Osprey book I found the details in later

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Apr 14 12 12:39 AM

Yes, I think this woudl be a VERY versitile set to produce, very smart business move, and would be very popular with the gamers.

-jack

Seriously? I have been gaming for 41 years now and can count on the fingers of one hand the times I have played WW1 games

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The March issue of Miniature Wargames has a very interesting article on the results of a December 2011 survey regarding the popularity of wargames eras and rules. Not having the space to regurgitate the entire article it basically broke wargames periods into three tiers:
** Top tier: WW2, Napoleonic and Pre-1066
** Middle tier: ACW, Medieval, Sci-Fi Fantasy, Renaissance, naval, 18th century, and 19th century.
** Bottom tier: Air warfare, post 1945, and early 20th century

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Apr 14 12 2:17 AM

Yes...  I think it would be very versitile IF like other miniature sets, you put the extra needed bits and pieces to equip the various nations that were apart of French influence of the time.

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Apr 14 12 5:46 AM

I would think warhammer/40k then all the historic periods even my town has a stockist of 40k now there is a surprise ha ha. I did a ww1   skirmish 2 weeks ago another game involved very early Germans/Belgians in shakos & blue uniforms very impressive. Colonial battles plays out the same each time?

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Apr 14 12 11:46 AM

I did a ww1   skirmish 2 weeks ago another game involved very early Germans/Belgians in shakos & blue uniforms very impressive. Colonial battles plays out the same each time? -moneybox


I would have loved to have been there to see that. What scale? By chance any friends took pics of the "battle" to share?
2nd.. thats a good question Moneybox. I'd have to say it all depends on the factions and the time period (aka technonogy).
"The Sword and The Flame" rules for example, the creator knew that the technical advantage of the 'rifle' gave the British/ European troops a great advantage over Zulu forces.
So in creating his game (TSATF) he *tweaked history a bit if you will.  As I see it, it seems he had '3 guidelines by which he created his game'.
1st, make the game Fun.  2nd, make the game Fun. and 3rd make the game Historically Accurate.
His formula must have been on target, considering the game has been popular and lasted some 30 yrs AND I understand has spawned numerous variations for different time periods and theaters of war.

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Apr 14 12 11:49 AM

ok guy , after word , some picture

 on this see my argument for have a box of french soldier wargame factory
diffrent front
1er "l'armée d'orient" fight on salonnique front

2nd 1918 l'armée dorient again versus russian communiste in nord of roumania

,this 2 links from the french movie "capitain conan"
different period

next extract is from the movie merry chrstmas , a production based on true story by french english and german production

diffenrent story

next un long dimanche de fiançaille

La grande illusion

(for me the greatest film about escape story)
try to found this movie and see them,and you can have the french opinion about this past

its funny beacause in france they dont make any propaganda about war ...i explain ,they dont apologie about war , no rambo , no chuck norris only war the true war)

plz wargame factory make this box

ps , this is in bonus
little spanish song with french soldier

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Apr 14 12 3:55 PM

Jack, still struggling to get pics on this kind of forum, straight from my comp no probs.

28mm the large game was quite a set up by my club mates, 4 tables really looked great arty cavalry, a trench, bombed out houses

Mine was a 1 table skirmish. I was time limited that day, but glad to have made the effort Me the british had to dislodge some Austro-Hungarians from a chatueau  they must have been at the wine cellar their shooting was all over the place ha ha.
The Osprey book is armies of the Balkans 1914-18 several armies used the adrian helmet 

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Apr 14 12 6:31 PM

Seriously? I have been gaming for 41 years now and can count on the fingers of one hand the times I have played WW1 games

-zedeyejoe


Right behind you and I've lost count of the WW1 games I've played in so we come back to the issue of (1) knowledge of the period, (2) the interest that results (or lack thereof), (3) availability of suitable figures and models.

I say don't ignore the Great War, even on the Western Front for skirmish level games or even up to battalion level for 1918. The last months of the war were as fluid as 1914 in many places, and at the tactical level things get far more interesting and less predictable than one might think based upon the popular perception of what the Western Front was like according to All Quiet on the Western Front.

Even tank attacks enmasse are anything but sure things if the Germans have the advantages of terrain, have some dug in field guns, an anti-tank rifle, grenade bundles, and maybe a stosstruppen with a flammenwerfer or two handy. Such a game gets plenty ugly for both sides, and if the Germans keep their wits and their nerve, it may very well go all wrong for the clanking monsters and the poilus/doughboys/tommies they're leading.

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Apr 14 12 9:21 PM

I have always wanted to play out a WW I 'all armor' battle. Of course it would be sheerly an "imagi-nations" conflict. I think to make such a game more 'accurate', you'd have to have a "possible mechanical failure" roll at the beginning of each turn. After all, mechanical break downs were said to 'plague the new weapon' of both sides.

Moneybox, if you 'do' manage to get such pics up and on the forum, I think they will be outstanding. 28mm battle field complete with entrenchments... and its own "quiet" (bomb ravaged) chateau.

And btw, I still cant 'insert' pics from my own comp. As I understand they still have to come from a site like "Flicker" or "Photobucket" where you follow the above instructions "insert image" or "link", both which require a URL address. But good luck.

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Apr 14 12 10:20 PM


I have a few pics on flicker i will have to sit down & work through the way to do it. If you don`t want to spend loads on 28mm there is so much more in 1/72 scale troops, tanks, heavy weapons, mortars  
the manufactures have no fear in releasing all sorts of boxes for all sort of periods
thank for the videos gruesome stuff
1914-2014 is approaching  
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Apr 15 12 12:01 AM

I have always wanted to play out a WW I 'all armor' battle. Of course it would be sheerly an "imagi-nations" conflict. I think to make such a game more 'accurate', you'd have to have a "possible mechanical failure" roll at the beginning of each turn. After all, mechanical break downs were said to 'plague the new weapon' of both sides.

-jack


Jack,

like anything in the universe it was a matter of frequency and degree. The Renault FT-17 had a real problem with faulty (as in poorly made) fan belts during the Great War. This resulted in frequent breakdowns due to engines overheating, or even catching fire(!) at inconvenient moments. The small size of the FT17 and its short track base also meant it could easily get stuck in a trench or fall into a deep shell hole. The advantages of the FT17 were that five could be built for every one of the large heavy tanks, they were quite robust and relatively easy to operate and maintain by Great War standards, and provided invaluable help to the beleaguered French infantrymen in overcoming the German defenses.


http://www.cmchant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Char-Canon-Renault-FT17.gif
Other issues with French armour were again type-specific. The Char Schneider CA1 had their fuel tanks initially located in the sides inside the fighting compartment. Spall from bullet impacts would puncture these tanks and spray fuel over the exposed engine with the catastrophic results one would expect; French troops soon dubbed the Schneider "mobile crematoria" because of this problem. Later production models of the CA1 rectified this problem by moving the fuel tanks to the rear of the vehicle and mounting them externally. This still didn't compensate for the Schneider's short track base and the poor cross country performance that went with it.
http://www.chars-francais.net/new/images/stories/photos/schneider-ca1_04.jpg



The Char St. Chamond was supposed to be a major improvement over the Schneider, and did carry a much heavier armament, but that was where any improvement ended. While the St. Chamond utilized a sophisticated and complex drive train of a gasoline engine driving a generator that powered two electric motors to run the tracks, the end result was underpowered for the sheer size and bulk of the vehicle. This was made even worse due to the substantial overhang on both ends of the tank's body, which meant that the St. Chamond was all too easily stuck the moment it encountered any significant terrain irregularities such as shell holes or trenches. This lack of power combined with the propensity to get hopelessly stuck led the French poilus to dub the St. Chamond, "an elephant with the legs of a gazelle!"








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Apr 15 12 12:04 AM


I have a few pics on flicker i will have to sit down & work through the way to do it. If you don`t want to spend loads on 28mm there is so much more in 1/72 scale troops, tanks, heavy weapons, mortars  
the manufactures have no fear in releasing all sorts of boxes for all sort of periods
thank for the videos gruesome stuff
1914-2014 is approaching 

-moneybox


I agree with you about 1/72 scale models and figure availability for the Great War period. HaT Industrie makes an ever-growing range of figures, an excellent fast assembly kit of the FT17, plus a number of artillery pieces including the French '75, the GErman '77, and the Russian 76.2 Putilov.

If you're on a budget and you want to try out the Great War, 1/72 scale plastics is IMHO the perfect way to go.

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Apr 15 12 2:18 AM

I thought that the Germans were prone to running away when tanks were used against them? Not very keen on fighting anyway and fighting tanks, more than their duty required.

German tanks were mostly captured British tanks anyway.

I came across this A7V outside a museum in Manchester
http://3vwargames.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/ww1-german-tank-in-manchester.html

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Apr 15 12 3:19 PM

dont forget the paper tank ,
(german have the maus) french have , not tottaly a paper tank because he was built but for the offensive of 1919 (germany was surrender before)


the fcm2c the last of this dinausaur is fall in russland unter german flag in ww2

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Apr 15 12 4:53 PM

First, Lou, those are some Great Pics you put up for us, Thanks.

 The Renault FT-17 had    faulty   fan belts   frequent breakdowns   engines overheating, or even catching fire(!) at inconvenient moments. -luoshangzhi


Lou, This poses the question; When it is ever "convenient" for a gas engine to catch fire? I have always felt the term "Combustion Engine", was a waring in and of itself. 

they were quite robust    and provided invaluable help to the   French   in overcoming the German defenses.


It seems the FT-17 would have made a really good stationary defence' piece. And of course the "rare flat" ground in the open "no-mans land" between battle lines.

The Char Schneider had  fuel tanks initially located   inside the fighting compartment.  bullet impacts would puncture these tanks  spray fuel over the   engine with   catastrophic results.


My heart goes out to those trapped in such a situation. I believe the US Sherman had a similar problem due to the location of the gun breach. IF the tank caught fire, one of the crewmen had to actually "crawl under the breach", then up onto the gun, in order to get to the top hatch. As a rule, by the time he had done this, he would, sadly, emerge engulfed in flames. 

The Char St. Chamond was supposed to be a major improvement over the Schneider,  a much heavier armament, but that was where  improvement ended.   the end result was underpowered for the sheer size   made  worse due to  overhang on both ends of the tank's body,    the St. Chamond   easily stuck the moment it encountered   shell holes or trenches.


The 1st time I ever saw the Chamond, I could not help but think.. "my God that thing looks like a whale on a roller skate." How could they "not" see the problem with having 'more tank than tread" is beyond me.

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