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Oct 21 10 8:42 PM

I would love some French and Indian war figures..just sayin'...

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Oct 22 10 1:21 AM

Nice models but at $8.00 a pop I might buy two...but not an army;)
I'll wait for some nice plastic sets!

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Oct 22 10 3:09 AM

Well, these are certainly not intended for unit building. But you wil find no sculptor who puts more details into his minis, so if you are into that era you will likely never find better exhibition pieces. In this regard Tom Meier is a legend among sculptors.

Alas, not many are able to paint to a standard that matches the sculpt. When they do, the results are unbelievable.
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/mainwebsite_html/gallery/GRRMline_Loras.htm
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/mainwebsite_html/gallery/GRRMline_Cersei.htm
(Sorry, no painted version sof the French/Indians yet)

Back to the topic:
- Great Northern wars?



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Oct 22 10 4:49 AM

Many years ago I remember there being a book (school historybook??) that discussed that rebellion. About all that has flashed back....was that a fair number of the rebels were veterans of the AWI.

-crazyharborc

yeah.  but most would not still be sporting uniforms or federal issue arms.  when i was in the navy, my 9mm wasn't my 9mm, it was the navy's.  and they didn't let me keep it (actually, them, as i had several) when i got out.  :(  [explitive deleted] [explitive deleted]ers!  :)

french and indian wars figures would probably have a larger audience than whiskey rebellion figures.

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Oct 22 10 9:00 AM


As far as future sets, how about the French and Indian War but including the other brush fire wars that wracked Europe and even other colonies

-darthbrom

I am not sure that the Seven Years War in Europe could really be called a brushfire war - it ended up becoming quite a massive conflict, compared to which the New World part (known as the French and Indian War by the local colonists) was rather a side theatre.

As for the other colonial side theatres, anybody ever heard of the Carnatic wars between the French and English on the Indian subcontinent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Carnatic_War

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Oct 22 10 9:50 AM

>brush fire wars
At a population of 2.5 million Prussia lost 180.000 soldiers.
Of the some 30 million US and CSA citizens in 1860 only some 600.000 lost their lives, so the "intensity" (measured in loss of life) of the ACW was roughly just a third of the "brushfire" war for Prussia.





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Oct 22 10 2:59 PM


As for the other colonial side theatres, anybody ever heard of the Carnatic wars between the French and English on the Indian subcontinent:
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-griefbringer

I'm rather more interested in the downfall of the Ming Dynasty and the rise of the Qing (Manchus), followed by the Taiping Rebellion and only AFTER Tony produces 16th Century Ming Chinese for the Imjin War so I can wipe the smiles off the faces of samurai army players everywhere I can find them...

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Oct 22 10 3:32 PM

@ griefbringer
I used brushfire wars because once the shooting started everybody with a grudge got started, so like a brush fire we got our first world war alibet known world war or as we know it the 7 year war:) now unfortunately I am still in the woods showing up the 20 year old kids in running,rucking, and shooting... I don't have my books with me as they make my Ruck sack too heavy for the old man. But being an American we just call the seven year war the French and Indian war because we like to cheat in Scrabble! ;)

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Oct 22 10 5:52 PM

BTW are pirates during the 18th century notable? or did they looks like everyone else?

-kenshin620

By the 18th Century most of the Pirates we know and love were dead, or about to be.  The 17th Century was the high water (pardon the pun) of the Pirates.

Having said that though, there were pirates that would make interesting opponents, such as the Barbary Pirates, the Javanese Pirates, and the Pirates of the Sea of Japan and South China Sea, most of whom preyed upon the ships of the French, English, Dutch, and Portuguese from Asia, and the first group attacking pretty much anything sailing in the Mediterranean, protected by the Ottomans from too many reprisals.

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Oct 24 10 5:27 AM




I am not sure that the Seven Years War in Europe could really be called a brushfire war - it ended up becoming quite a massive conflict, compared to which the New World part (known as the French and Indian War by the local colonists) was rather a side theatre.As for the other colonial side theatres, anybody ever heard of the Carnatic wars between the French and English on the Indian subcontinent:[url]

-griefbringer

I have to agree with Griefbringer. Besides, somewhat generic sprues as I have suggested previously for SYW types would allow for the European component of many conflicts from ~ 1730 - ~ 1765 and even later for the Prussians to the War of the Polish Succession in the late 1770's. They would suit armies in Europe as well as any of the colonial theatres. The Hussar sprue suggested would allow for Lazun's legion even.

Also, while I can see the appeal of the AWI, when the basic Brit/Continental Line/French infantry is done, I would see the need for a lot of more specialised sprues to cover the different types - perhaps this is just a matter of hats & a few coat types - I would be happy to see submissions from those with detailed knowledge in this area? This variable coated set might also provide civilians for the FIW? The Hessians and perhaps the French would need a more SYW type uniform. However, I suspect Tony is keen on AWI?

So, I see that the SYW period would cater to a large number of gamers preferring "big battalion" or old style wargames including Imagi-Nations as favoured by Grant, Olley & others, as well as providing types for the FIW.

Cheers, Rohan,

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Jan 26 12 1:51 AM


Happy New Year, All!

Just a note to plug for the mid-18th century again & to bring this to the fore again. I received Charles S Grant's latest Wargaming in History No. 5 for Christmas, and it has rekindled the flame again!!

Please consider this era, Wobot. There are quite a number of submissions & offers of help on the various forum threads.

Cheers, Pinkus.


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Jan 26 12 12:37 PM

Ah the Barbary Wars, a war not too many people have heard about yet always hear about         I just learned it last week too

-kenshin620

Unless my memory has failed me, this conflict is the origin for the line "..to the shores of Tripoli" from the U. S. Marine Corps. hymn. Just tossing in a little "well what ya know" for interests sake. 

Now more to the topic at hand: While I've yet to read any of Mr Grants work, I was even less aware he has apparently produced a 'series' on "Historical Wargaming"? 
Pinkus I am 'most grateful' for that bit of information.

"You see old friend, I brought more soldiers than you did." 'King Leonidas - 300'

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Jan 27 12 5:08 AM






Now more to the topic at hand: While I've yet to read any of Mr Grants work, I was even less aware he has apparently produced a 'series' on "Historical Wargaming"? Pinkus I am 'most grateful' for that bit of information.


-jack





Ah, Jack! The books from "The Grant stable" are "must reads" for any wargamer in the Horse & Musket Era.  The father, Charles Grant, produced his classic "The Wargame".  His style is very readable narrative explaining the rules & he was a great proponent of big  battalions and Imagi-nations (along with Brigadier Peter Young & Lawford in "Charge"). He produced books on Napoleonic, WW2 & Ancient warfare also. Most of these have been reprinted & are available through Caliver Books, Ken Trotman Books & I'm sure On Matters Military in the States will have them too. 

His son, Charles S Grant (a now retired Brigadier) has a myriad of titles to his name, especially concerning the 18th century & Napoleonic warfare. He has edited the reprint of his father's books & has some really enjoyable titles to stimulate the wargamer's gaming palate, including 4 volumes in the "Wargaming in History" series which he co-authored with Phil Olley & his own children Charles & Natasha (both serving army officers) & friends. These books cover battles in the WAS & SYW periods with excellent background notes & OOB's followed by suggestions on how to refight them (using the Grant rules, of course ;-)  ). They are full of good ideas & realistic wargames eye-candy. They are published by Ken Trotman & there is a fifth in the series by differnt authors on Gettysburg. They are particularly useful in illustrating how an historical battle can be converted to an enjoyable tabletop game experience. 

All of the Grant titles even though often involving elements of their Imagi-Nations, are firmly based on historical & military facts & data, and provide a wealth of wargaming ideas. 

I highly recommend them to anyone with an interest in any type of wargaming - they are classics!

This is why I plead for a series of plastic, affordable 28mm figures for big battalion battles! ;-)  (The Grants had the Spencer Smith plastics to allow this in their day - see "The Wargame" for details.)

Cheers, Pinkus.


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Jan 27 12 11:16 AM

They are full of good ideas & ..wargames eye-candy.  ...useful in illustrating how a historical battle can be converted to an enjoyable tabletop game... 
All of the Grant titles ..often involving elements of their Imagi-Nations, are firmly based on historical & military facts & data,.. 


I think that is the most important factor, even in imagination games (w the exception of Sci-Fi/ Fantasy of course); having "the" actual weapon and personel stats and limitations that make a game really fun.


This is why I plead for a series of plastic, affordable 28mm figures for big battalion battles! ;-)  (The Grants had the Spencer Smith plastics to allow this in their day - see "The Wargame" for details.)  Cheers, Pinkus.


The "lead toy soldier" was before my time, however thats one reason I started gettting away from wargaming. I got tired of Lugging Lead. Im from the "Green Army Men" generation. I love the Lt. Wt. and ease you can move 'larger units' w/the plastics. Thats not even going into the benefits of 'customization'.

I must say.. I think the generic "War of Spanish Succession" units are an outstanding example of what can be done with this scale of plastic miniatures. I whole heartedly support your 'cause' in hope they 'complete' the WSS series (for starters) with an Artillary set.
I conclude this piece by saying..  URGING the WF, take a sincere look at the "Specialty/ Extra Sprue" that we have been discussing recently. Help your loyal customers get more use of the abundance of 'extra bits' many have left after building their armies.
I know nothing is free and this "IS" a business, but I think the response would be such that it would more than pay for itself and then some.

Pinkus.. thanks again for the additional information. I will TRY to work some of the Grant books into my "to do" reading list, now that I am back at college (again) and as busy as ever.

"You see old friend, I brought more soldiers than you did." 'King Leonidas - 300'

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Jan 27 12 2:22 PM

I would agree especially as this period and the sightly earlier nine years war of the 1690's is the current wargaming hot topic and it would be a great pity if Wargames factory missed out here. The Existing range is good but it has flaws, upside down swords, which could be corrected by expanding the range.

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