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I was wondering if their are and plans for Rising Suns artillery? At this point I am using them for a human army in Kings of War.

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Oct 17 12 9:28 PM

The Japanese armies of the Sengoku Jidai and later Momoyama Period didn't really use much artillery outside of a handful of captured or purchased foreign weapons. This in fact was a major weakness of the samurai armies that invaded Korea during the Imjin War 1592-98, and was a tipping point in many a battle on land an at sea against the Koreans and Chinese, whose own artillery parks were by comparison decisively larger. Only the superiority of the Japanese in arquebuses, better overall personal armour, superior swords, training, and discipline allowed them to perform as well as they did during this brutal conflict.

Hopefully enough interest in my L&UL proposals for Ming Chinese artillery will produce results, as the Japanese were not shy about using captured weapons during the Imjin War, having quickly learned a very healthy respect for the Chinese and Korean cannons.

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Oct 18 12 6:26 AM

I was wondering if their are and plans for Rising Suns artillery? At this point I am using them for a human army in Kings of War.

-tibour

I'm also thinking of using the Japanese miniatures for a Kings of War army.  I was trying to find some decent Oni miniatures to use as Ogre's have you found any?

I'm thinking of using the models for these KOW equivalents. Was wondering how you're using them.

Ashigaru bowmen - Missile Troops  (I loathe gunpowder weapons in my fantasy gaming)
Ashigaru Spearmen - Pike Phalanx
Samurai w/ Katana - Foot Guard w/ Greatweapons
Samurai w/ Naginata - Pole-Arms Block
Samurai Cavalry - Knights

What I'm looking for.

Warrior Monks  -  to be a Penitents Mob
Militia - (thinking of using numidians with bits from Ashigaru)
Oni  -  Some type of Japanese Ogre type.

As far as artillery I'm only going for Rocket Artillery and will probably scratch build that.

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Oct 18 12 6:54 AM

Grenadier UK's Warlord range had a faction of ogres that seemed based on the Oni. Unfortunately the range went down with the company, and while Em4 have managed to secure some of the moulds I'm not sure if the ogres are among them.

Other than that, there are Oni models by a number of manufacturers - But they're all 'one offs' intended for roleplayers, and vary in terms of things like size, equipment, and how close they are to the source material, so building a cohesive unit could be. . . . Problematic?

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Oct 18 12 7:32 AM

Other than that, there are Oni models by a number of manufacturers - But they're all 'one offs' intended for roleplayers, and vary in terms of things like size, equipment, and how close they are to the source material, so building a cohesive unit could be. . . . Problematic?

-panzer_engel

This is what I'm running into. I'm thinking I'll just get some GW Ogre's and make a few modifications with some Green Stuff.  I kind of like the furry looking Oni and I think I could add some long locks GW guys.  Just hate the trousers on those guys.


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Oct 18 12 8:00 AM

Hm. based on the picture you've posted, you might want to look up Dixons Dai-Oni. Their miniatures are too chunky for their samurai to really be compatible with. . . Well, anyone else's really. But 'chunky' is excusable when you're dealing with the likes of Oni.

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Oct 18 12 9:16 AM

Those are pretty close to what I'd like to do.  May just pick a few up.  I don't know how they will size up, there is only one with a picture at the companies website but he looks cool to me.  Thanks panzer.  Do you know where some warrior monk models can be found?

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Oct 18 12 9:54 AM

If you are looking for Ogres to convert to Oni, I might recommend Reaper's "Bones" Ogre...

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/Bones/latest/77005

Not only does he have a few features which are suitable for a more Oriental Ogre / Oni, BUT he is also very inexpensive at $2.49! I haven't tried it myself, but they say this Bones plastic/resin stuff is very easy to cut and convert, so it might be easy to make a whole unit from these guys.

Reaper has a nice collection of some characterful "Oriental" models http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/oriental including the cutest Foo Dog this side of Kowloon http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/oriental/sku-down/65129 (they have a Foo Dog and a Giant Foo Dog, but they appear to be identical sculpts, just one is $3 more . . .)

And they have this fellow to go with the Ogre http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/oriental/sku-down/02486

I am a big fan of Reaper for character models; I think with some of their characters, monsters, a few Ogres and whole pile of Wargames Factory Samurai / Ashigaru you could make a wonderful fantasy Oriental army.

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Oct 18 12 10:04 AM

Reaper is my go to.  I have a few of the Bones miniatures and they are very easy to convert.  My only complaint about them is the weapons are very flimsy.  however, they are easily replaced with plastic or metal ones.

You're right about the two Foo Dogs,  they are the same.  The change is the metal that they are made of.  The cheeper one is the P-65 range which actually contains lead.

I love the Ogre Magi dude from reaper.  Just wish they had more than 1 pose.

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Oct 18 12 10:36 AM

  The cheeper one is the P-65 range which actually contains lead. 
   

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That warms the cockles of my calcified, reactionary, get-off-my-lawn-and-pull-up-your-pants heart.

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Oct 18 12 11:43 AM

For ogres I intend to go with the Bushido.

http://www.bushido-thegame.com/content/new-dawn-here

If you look at the savage wave section they have several options. For the rest of the army:

Ashigaru bowmen - Missile Troops  (I will use a mix of musket and bow)
Ashigaru Spearmen - Pike Phalanx
Samurai w/ Katana - Foot Guard w/ Greatweapons
Samurai w/ Naginata - Pole-Arms Block
Samurai Cavalry - Knights (lots of these 200pts is a 10 man unit)
Artillery- I have several cannon but no Japanese style crew/loaders

I do intend to paint them historically so they will be multi-use for the most part. Which is why I am looking for some accurate artillery.

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Oct 18 12 11:54 AM

For ogres I intend to go with the Bushido.If you look at the savage wave section they have several options.

For the rest of the army: I do intend to paint them historically so they will be multi-use for the most part. Which is why I am looking for some accurate artillery.

-tibour

 
I found this cool online tool for KOW, thought you might beable to use it. I look forward to seeing your army.  Mine at the moment is living in the realm of maybe.  I'm currently working on a KOW human army based on the Greek Hoplites.  The Samurai are competing with the Vikings for my 2nd human force.


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Oct 18 12 10:30 PM

Do you know where some warrior monk models can be found?
-bryon31


My first stop for 'true' 28mm Sohei would probably be Perry miniatures, although The Assault Group also does some, including some useful archers. But since you're over in the states, you might have more luck with Victory Force or Kingsford miniatures. I'd avoid the Dixons monks for the same reasons as the samurai.

Other than that, it's eBay, I know the Legend of the five rings range had some, and they're probably still in circulation secondhand.

Reaper is my go to.

-bryon31


As far as character models go, they're hard to beat. The only problem is the ever-present one of availability this side of the pond. . . .

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Oct 19 12 4:23 AM

The assualt group or Perry figs are both useful.

The Dixons Ikko Ikki are worth a look, as it shows how you can then convert the Wargames Factory into Ikko Ikki.

I have some boxes on the way, so will look closer at the pracialities once they arrive. I am thinking that thin plastic card, liquid cement and a bit of patience should be rewarding to cowl up commander types and perhaps create some armoured sohei.

If its practical I will commission someone to sculpt the right  bare head for the ikko ikki to fit the WF plastic  (plus a couple of variants) and put that into metal so the main bulk of the troops can be made.

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Oct 19 12 6:03 AM

The assualt group or Perry figs are both useful.

The Dixons Ikko Ikki are worth a look, as it shows how you can then convert the Wargames Factory into Ikko Ikki.

-robb

Thank you for the info.  I didn't even know Perry did samurai.   The monks are great, but I'm really liking the armoured pesants from both ranges.  I will for sure be getting some perry ninja's  what psuedo-japanese fantasy army could be complete without ninja?

Forgive my ignorance but I am not entirely sure what Ikko Ikki stands for. 

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Oct 28 12 4:48 PM


I have some boxes on the way, so will look closer at the pracialities once they arrive. I am thinking that thin plastic card, liquid cement and a bit of patience should be rewarding to cowl up commander types and perhaps create some armoured sohei.
If its practical I will commission someone to sculpt the right  bare head for the ikko ikki to fit the WF plastic  (plus a couple of variants) and put that into metal so the main bulk of the troops can be made.

-robb

Do you get good results with plastic card?

I must confess I would have immediately defaulted to green stuff, either modeled directly onto the figure, or rolled, cut into strips and applied.

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Oct 29 12 12:35 AM

Clan War figures are still very much available here in the States:

http://www.veltd.net/


Valiant Enterprises Ltd has the moulds and produces these handy figures...

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Oct 29 12 3:31 AM

@Panzer_Engel

not tried the plastic card and liquid cement option yet but once the miniatures arrive I will give them a go.

Years ago (when I previously used the plastic card option mentioned above) I used to use the liquid cement and shaved sprue to make a plastic paste, this was pretty useful for filling holes in plastic kits and so on, but- a health warning applies, do it in a very well ventilated area!

The ventilation still holds true today!

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